Manna - An Advanced Static Strength Element

[Spanyard]

Im a bboy, and as the discussion that im reading touchs a lil bit my culture, I just want to say that there is no way on comparing bboy and gymnastics. Bboying or breaking is a DANCE, and gymnastics is a SPORT. It is true that bboying has a lot of athletic activitie, thats why I use this website, and let me say that I improve a lot on certain ways of breaking since I use some of Coach Sommer's exercises, but is like if I compare tango with scoccer, you get me?
Talking about the manna, I agree with George. The move that is shown on the vid is WAY EASIER than a manna, I got plenty of friends that can do it but no way on pressing up on a manna.
And by the way, the move at 0:54 is not a hollowback, it is an airchair variation

[IvanPS]

Im a bboy, and as the discussion that im reading touchs a lil bit my culture, I just want to say that there is no way on comparing bboy and gymnastics. Bboying or breaking is a DANCE, and gymnastics is a SPORT. It is true that bboying has a lot of athletic activitie, thats why I use this website, and let me say that I improve a lot on certain ways of breaking since I use some of Coach Sommer's exercises, but is like if I compare tango with scoccer, you get me?
Talking about the manna, I agree with George. The move that is shown on the vid is WAY EASIER than a manna, I got plenty of friends that can do it but no way on pressing up on a manna.
And by the way, the move at 0:54 is not a hollowback, it is an airchair variation

oops sorry i meant at 0:58

[Daster]

i did not mean somethinga bout gymanstics vs bboy..i just added that comment couse they seamed "kinda" similar..well the names are very diffrent..especially for me, couse in latin america moves have difrent names.

[hans plar]

Hey

I asked about the Manna on youtube. To repeat, I would like to know, what is the significance of lifting the butt and the legs at the same time when training for the Manna, and could you elaborate on why "A short cut taken here will result in the ultimate failure of your journey to acquire a manna." ?

Thank you

[Coach Sommer]

Unless you focus on pressing the hips and legs forward, you will fail to develop the necessary back and tricep strength necessary to press upward into the manna.

Yours in Fitness,
Coach Sommer

[StevenL]

Coach, you mentioned the importance of the width of the legs while working the middle split hold. Other than following this progression consistently, are there any other exercises/stretches you could recommend that would be beneficial to widening the legs? Thank you for any help and for all of your past help, as well.

[niftyvt]

Over the past few months I have developed a decent MSH but after videotaping myself I noticed that I lean back, that is my shoulders were behind my hands. Its not to drastic but it was the first thing I noticed when watching myself. Should I be striving to keep my shoulder plane as close to the plane of my hands as possible?

Thanks

[matthew.percussion]

Over the past few months I have developed a decent MSH but after videotaping myself I noticed that I lean back, that is my shoulders were behind my hands. Its not to drastic but it was the first thing I noticed when watching myself. Should I be striving to keep my shoulder plane as close to the plane of my hands as possible?

Thanks

Watch the video in the original post. He holds the MSH for a second in the beginning. With quite a large backward lean. If you didn't lean back but pushed your hips forward you would be overbalanced. Simple physics. =]

Good luck on your Manna training!

[Coach Sommer]

Focusing on pressing the hips forward as far as possible in front of the hands is the primary concern.

Yours in Fitness,
Coach Sommer

[niftyvt]

Thanks, I will just focus on getting my hips even further from my arms.

[CircusMonkey]

hi Coach!

I was wondering how much time should be spent on Manna a week for somebody really going for it?
With a manna as a primary objective, how much time a week? And most effectively every day or with rest periods?

And also: Does it help to train the progression on different levels, I as an example have been training with different sized balls to hold and actively stretch my arms in different angels (between v-sit and manna), as in putting the ball behind me as a support and rolling up to a high pike. I don't know if this will help me a lot but i feel like it should be a good thing to do after practicing the Middle split hold to really work it?
Is specified additional strength recommended for non-gymnasts to speed up the process?

I want to do this!!!

Thanks alot!

[Coach Sommer]

In my experience, very good results with Manna preparation can be obtained by training 3-4 days a week for 10 minutes or so at a time.

Yours in Fitness,
Coach Sommer

[Sternford]

In the book it says that most people fail at the manna because they don't "spend the requisite amount of time developing the HMSH"
My first question is: is HMSH is a typo of "middle split hold horizontal" or does it stands for something else (high middle split hold?)
My second question is how long is the requisite amount.
When should you start going for the manna, or is it more like the middle split hold horizontal blends into the manna as you just try to push your hips out more and more?

[matthew.percussion]

Horizontal Middle Split Hold is HMSH if I am not mistaken. The requisite time is basically how long it takes you personally to develop the skill.

[Sternford]

Horizontal Middle Split Hold is HMSH if I am not mistaken. The requisite time is basically how long it takes you personally to develop the skill.

Ah, thanks for that clarification on the acronym. On the second part though I mean when do I know I have developed the skill enough? I can hold a horizontal middle split hold for at least five seconds (I know that's not nearly enough) but I do not know at what point I should try to move on