Coach Sommer Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 pKMnv7eEsnQ A common theme song in fitness circles today is that specific conditioning for building core strength is both unnecessary and over-rated. This may indeed be the case in regards to less comprehensive pursuits; but for Gymnastic Strength Training™, specific work is not only necessary, but is so essential that it must be a primary focus.L-sit lifts are an excellent example of a gymnastics core conditioning element that is quite effective and comprehensive in nature. They are possessed of an active flexibility element, contain a static strength element and promote reasonable support strength throughout the shoulder girdle and arms while simultaneously placing a significant workload on the abs and hip flexors. That is a lot of bang for the buck.An L-sit lift, although demanding, is technically one of the simplest gymnastics core strength elements to perform. Begin from a seated pike on the floor. Make sure the area behind you is clear of obstructions in case you fall backward. Place your hands on the floor so that they are just in front of the hips. As with planche work, the hand position used is completely optional. The hands may be flat, or on the first knuckle or up on the fingertips. The hands may be turned forward, sideward or backward. If despite experimenting with a variety of positions, you find that your wrists are still excessively uncomfortable, I recommend that you perform the L-sit lifts on parallets or pushup bars.Once you have found a hand position that you are comfortable with, press yourself up into an L-sit. Pause in the L-sit and then attempt to lift your legs as high as possible. Do not allow the arms to bend, but focus on keeping the elbows completely extended. Also note, that leaning back too far back will preclude you from attaining any reasonable amount of lift. Rather focus on remaining upright and pressing down strongly.If you are not used to this kind of straight arm exertion, you may find yourself the proud owner of a set of very engaging triceps cramps. These are quite effective at gaining your full attention :shock:! If cramps occur, immediately come out of the L-sit lift, place the hand of the cramping arm behind your head and grasp that hand's elbow with your other hand. Pulling down strongly on that elbow and then holding that position for 5-10 seconds is usually quite effective in helping to relieve the cramping.Eventually plan on lifting your legs to vertical, however for now a lift of only a few inches may be all that is possible. Return once more to the L-sit position and then continue onward for the desired number of repetitions.Initially many people will find that the pike version of L-sit lifts is too demanding. This may be due to a lack of active flexibility, support strength or the obvious culprit of deficient core strength. The following modifications will help to gradually build the strength and flexibility needed to perform this outstanding core strength element.Progression1) Tight Tuck - Perform the L-sit lift as described above, but with the legs pulled tightly into a tuck position.2) Relaxed Tuck - Now allow the legs to extend out somewhat from the tight tuck position that you used initially.3) Legs Extended Halfway - Perform L-sit lifts with the legs approximately half way straight.4) Legs Slightly Straddled - The legs will now be completely straight, but slightly straddled to help to increase the available leverage when performing this element.5) Pike - The legs will now be completely straight and together at all times.Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Nice. Do you have them ever go to manna in this movement or do you train that different as per your manna article. Perhaps that is only for those gymnasts that have that flexibility strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Scheelings Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 HiWith these i can only get about half the range of motion with my legs piked and together is the idea just to keep practicing until i can get it to a full v?What sort of sets and rep ranges do u normally advocate in order to get to the full range?Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaredLLL Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 yeah, im kind of curious as to what constitutes a full ROM for the progressions. would it be easiest to just follow the hips to determine the motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 This may be a self-answered question and obvious, but because I can't hold an L-sit for more than approx. 12 seconds yet, I just wanted to ask: do you breathe in an L-sit lift, when you hold it for like e.g. 30+ seconds? Or do you hold your breath? Because I always hold my breath and can't seem to breathe lol haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 During every exercise you breathe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Yes, eventually you need to learn how to relax enough to breathe for longer duration holds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmanuel Debra Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Yes, eventually you need to learn how to relax enough to breathe for longer duration holds.Any way to recommend how to relax and perform breathing in a cycle that will assist in a longer duration hold?Thanks,Katawia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 it comes in time. just remember to breathe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyciol Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 I can't comfortably bend my fingers back that far yet, so I use planche pushup handles so that I have enough clearance to get my feet off the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Did you try to change your hand position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Mangona Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Ok...this showed up a little while back in my WOD rotation. I've tried even the most basic of progressions. I can get into an L-sit tuck just fine -- even an L-sit full lay, just below parallel for a 7s hold. But I the only way I can lift my legs is by piking (bending) my hips. I can't get my upper torso to move in front of my arms. Am I doing them right? Or can am I too weak to do this exercise?If I am too weak...how do I scale?Thanks - JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Umm, an L-sit involves piking in the hips. If you can only do an L-sit for 7s, L-sit lift is beyond you for now. Good drills before this or L-sit/hang and lift as high as possible returning to the L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaad Mohammad Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I have to work on my flexibility if I'd like to do this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Mangona Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Eventually plan on lifting your legs to vertical, however for now a lift of only a few inches may be all that is possible. Return once more to the L-sit position and then continue onward for the desired number of repetitions.Sorry I wasn't clear. I can hold the l-sit part fine with my legs piked (though not for very long, as you say). It's what you do after that which I'm confused by...the part where you work toward going into manna. I just can't do it at all. But it sounds like for right now, I should just be doing dead hangs into L-Hangs and back.How do you get to the part Coach talks about above...where your legs are starting to lift? Is that a core strength issue or an arms/shoulder strength issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Mostly core strength, there is only a slight lean back on the triceps in the L-sit lifts. It's mostly active pike flexibility and strong abs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gym777 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Would this exercise be equally effective when done on parallel bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Sjolin Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Is there a way to make these harder once we've developed them? The ways I can think of are; on rings, stay in V-sit longer, try and continue it to manna (that'll be a while ), or add weights to the ankles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Sommer Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Continuing to press upward until you reach manna should increase the intensity nicely. 8) Yours in Fitness,Coach Sommer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Sjolin Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 That'll be fun to work on. We'll see where I am with that in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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