Real planche pushups?

[mrpraktic]

I saw on youtube a lot of those street workout guys doing planche pushups. I am not an expert, and I might be wrong, but I think that those are not real planche pushups. They don't lock their arms, they use swings, they lower back is arched..... Can anyone post video of correctly performed planche pushups? Only thing that I was able to find is this https://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/topic/10210-full-planche-push-up-elbows-locked-out/?hl=planche

 

 

[Alessandro Mainente]

the 99% of sw guys don't have a decent planche. i mean planche with the form that coach Sommer suggests. shoulders depression and protraction, butt activation etc. so i'm not surprised ,as a consequence of the poor form , that the push up are not good.

planche push up must be executed with some rules:

-start in a momentary planche position ( you can count zero-one and descend) 

-descent at least at 90° at the elbow with shoulders , hips and feet at the same levels

-reverse the movement and stop in a momentary planche position (counting zero-one) without loosing the form

-if you see an additional movement of the feet to make the ascent portion easier , this not make sense. you are compensating the lack of strength.

you have to move the body as an unique unit.

 

and of course. rarely you can see sw guys perform pl push up correctly..

my goal is the first pl push up in that video  http://youtu.be/9wWwdz1V4yU  one day...maybe

[Jono]

My goal this year is to do some legit tuck planche push-ups with full ROM, following the same rules as above. 2s hold at the top, hips staying shoulder-level at all times, full depth.

[Joshua Slocum]

That Stanford video has good pushups. His body sags over time, but the first one is pretty much spot-on. 

 

You're absolutely correct about the street-workout movements. Real planche pushups are uncommon in SW videos. Most of the time they have a heavy arch and use momentum; it's halfway between a planche pushup and a handstand pushup. They're still very hard, but not nearly as hard as a 'real' planche pushup. 

[Brian Li]

It's true that most "planche" push-ups done in the SW community are horrible, but I find that more and more are improving mostly Russian or Ukrainian. I can find a few Russian SW athletes that have a good planche, planche push-ups, and even maltese. Don't forget other SW athletes like Vassthesupersaiyan and Erik/Carucyn.

 

I have done full planche push-ups starting from planche lower and back up to planche with decent form, but only for one rep. I can do 4-5 concentric-only full planche push-up reps back to back though. 

 

The Stanford gymnast in the video above has nearly perfect form full planche push-ups. Only flaw is that his body is low. The following two videos below have perfect to nearly perfect form full planche push-ups.

Anyone seen very good form full planche push-ups on rings before?

[Alessandro Mainente]

if you look near to the execution you can see how in the first video you posted the guy is anticipating the ascent movement but lifting the feet with a little swing.

the second guy is loosing the protraction and arching the lower back.

if you in enter in the POV of coach there are no intermediate versions. there is  only what is correct. 

[mrpraktic]

What about these

[Brian Li]

That's true that they still have flaws, but the form is at least 90% perfect just like in the video of the Stanford gymnast. I've never seen a truly perfect form full planche push-up before, but I know it's possible and has been done many times before.

[Brian Li]

Jovchev's planche push-ups are not perfect because he is piking the torso every time he descends. I'm sure he can do truly perfect ones if he really wanted to since he is super strong and an amazing rings specialist.

[Alessandro Mainente]

next time i'll meet Morandi i'll film one of his pl push up...

[Brian Li]

Great! Then can you also ask him to do some on rings as well and film it. Also, can you please ask him if he thinks there is a direct correlation between each rep of PLPU (without any static holds in between each rep) to the number of seconds in a planche hold and also how much can he bench press (I know there is not much transfer between the two, but I'm just curious). Thanks a lot! =)

 

Oh here's another pretty good clip btw:

[Christian Sørlie]

"Anyone seen very good form full planche push-ups on rings before?"

 

This video was suggested after the one you posted:

 

 

[Mats Trane]

Seeing Jordan reminded me of how short he is. It is definetly an advantage to be short doing rings, planch pushups etc.

Here is a pic of him together with my son at the European Championships. My son is 170 cm ( 5 feet 7 inches)

[Mikkel Ravn]

A bit off topic, and also a bit hypothetical, but do you guys think that upon completion of the foundation series, we'll be able to do a perfect straddle planche pushup as a side effect, or would specific training be required?

[ZRX38]

Hey guys, just wondering. If you do the planche push ups with your hands backwards, i guess that would transfer some of the tricep load onto the biceps? 

 

 

  On 5/24/2013 at 5:12 PM, Ravn said:

A bit off topic, and also a bit hypothetical, but do you guys think that upon completion of the foundation series, we'll be able to do a perfect straddle planche pushup as a side effect, or would specific training be required?

 

i thought foundation would get you planche push ups?

[Mikkel Ravn]

  On 5/24/2013 at 5:22 PM, ZRX38 said:

i thought foundation would get you planche push ups?

Straddle planche hold, it doesn't say anything about pushups...

[Joshua Slocum]

  On 5/24/2013 at 5:12 PM, Ravn said:

A bit off topic, and also a bit hypothetical, but do you guys think that upon completion of the foundation series, we'll be able to do a perfect straddle planche pushup as a side effect, or would specific training be required?

Only one way to find out 

[George Launchbury]

Once you've got the straddle planche and hollowback press, I would think so...

 

Edit: I've seen quite a few planche pushup progressions on YouTube where they move between straddle at the bottom, to (flat) tuck at the top, suggesting that the hardest part of the movement is the straddle planche, which you'll already have?

[Jon Douglas]

  On 5/24/2013 at 5:36 PM, George Launchbury said:

Once you've got the straddle planche and hollowback press, I would think so...

 

Edit: I've seen quite a few planche pushup progressions on YouTube where they move between straddle at the bottom, to (flat) tuck at the top, suggesting that the hardest part of the movement is the straddle planche, which you'll already have?

This was posted a while back as mechanical advantage reps; doing the static and negative of the more difficult progression and concentric of the easier to keep perfect form and bridge the gap between the two. I think it may have been moved to the seminar grad studies forum.

[Mikkel Ravn]

  On 5/24/2013 at 5:36 PM, George Launchbury said:

Once you've got the straddle planche and hollowback press, I would think so...

 

Edit: I've seen quite a few planche pushup progressions on YouTube where they move between straddle at the bottom, to (flat) tuck at the top, suggesting that the hardest part of the movement is the straddle planche, which you'll already have?

You're talking about the Ido Portal video? Your argument makes sense, fingers crossed.

[George Launchbury]

  On 5/24/2013 at 5:53 PM, Charm said:

This was posted a while back as mechanical advantage reps; doing the static and negative of the more difficult progression and concentric of the easier to keep perfect form and bridge the gap between the two. I think it may have been moved to the seminar grad studies forum.

 

Sounds familiar...

 

  On 5/24/2013 at 5:57 PM, Ravn said:

You're talking about the Ido Portal video? Your argument makes sense, fingers crossed.

 

...just checked and that is in the title of Ido's video (with the plate on his back). Seen a few people (including some street workout guys) doing them.

 

None of them was me. This early in my comeback I'd struggle with push-ups +20kg

 

Edit: spelling error

[Jono]

Whilst it's true that the Stanford guy's planche push-ups were with his body sloping down slightly, I don't think the form that the other videos show (legs raising up before the push-up, like Alex said) require anywhere near the strength of the Stanford video. There's a deceptively big difference between the two, at least IMO. You see that his body stays completely rigid as if he's a plank of wood moving up and down, whereas in the other videos it isn't like that. Still very impressive non-the-less.

[Brian Li]

@Christian: Those rings planche push-ups weren't with very good form. His legs bounce up too much and arches. Still very impressive though as it is on rings.

 

 

  On 5/24/2013 at 5:12 PM, Ravn said:

A bit off topic, and also a bit hypothetical, but do you guys think that upon completion of the foundation series, we'll be able to do a perfect straddle planche pushup as a side effect, or would specific training be required?

I think specific training would be required based on my experience despite the top part being the hardest. There was a time when I could hold a solid full planche and not be able to do an adv tuck planche push-up, but then it took like 2 months of specific training to get up to full planche push-up. So that's why I asked alex87 to ask Morandi about that.

 

  On 5/24/2013 at 5:22 PM, ZRX38 said:

Hey guys, just wondering. If you do the planche push ups with your hands backwards, i guess that would transfer some of the tricep load onto the biceps? 

 

No, but the top part will stress the biceps more than in other hand placements. It is also a lot harder to do them with the hands back because you will have no cantilever from the wrists helping you and it's very hard to stabilize when you descend from the top.

[Brian Li]

  On 5/24/2013 at 8:29 PM, Jono said:

Whilst it's true that the Stanford guy's planche push-ups were with his body sloping down slightly, I don't think the form that the other videos show (legs raising up before the push-up, like Alex said) require anywhere near the strength of the Stanford video. There's a deceptively big difference between the two, at least IMO. You see that his body stays completely rigid as if he's a plank of wood moving up and down, whereas in the other videos it isn't like that. Still very impressive non-the-less.

I disagree, the Stanford gymnast would be having his feet touching the ground if he was doing them on floor, that's how sloped his body was. The first guy I posted was perfectly horizontal for the first couple reps and the leg lifting was hardly much at all if you look closely. Furthermore, he was doing them on the floor with fingers back which makes it harder than on paralletes. I'm sure the guy would be able to do ones without lifting his legs if he really tried since he can do 5 reps of pretty nice PLPUs already and can do rings PLPUs.

 

I would say the Russian guy I posted had the best form full PLPUs posted here because his only flaw was a very slight arch. All three of them were pretty close in form and difficulty and there's no deceptively big difference.

[Cody Ward]

 

 

Thoughts on this?