Hayden Whealing Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Just out of curiosity, witch is harder:iron cross or inverted cross and.........planche (on rings) or maltese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Maltese is rated a D currently while a cross is a B and an invert cross HS is a a C and planche is a C ( straddle planche is a B like V-sit ). Iron Cross, then Invert Cross, then planche, then Maltese. However, cross and invert cross are different than planche and maltese since they are vertical and not horizontal ( in regards to leverage ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasquatch Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Inverted cross is harder than iron cross for sure.Maltese is harder than a planche... I think.Edit. Blair beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 It's not so simpl Even an iron cross can be D value (allfrom elites are D), and maltese can be D or F, like planche can be C, D or even E (Gelder's new element, wich we saw in Europeans.That's one thing, second thing is personal. From person to person. For me is easier back roll to maltese F then straight body pull to inverted from iron cross E.Almost all elements are ranked as they should be (I don't know why is gelder just E :roll: :roll: ),... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I'm curious about jovtcevs lower slowly to inverted pull back to maltese how well do you think that is rated? Because i've only seen him do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 E value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razz Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I know it's E value i was just thinking (since i wouldnt have anything to compare it with ) do you think it's rated properly or should be harder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Razz said: I know it's E value i was just thinking (since i wouldnt have anything to compare it with ) do you think it's rated properly or should be harder?No, it's ok. M opinion is that just gelder should be F and straight pull from dead hang to the iron cros could be an E.I'm glad FIG rised tucked double double from D to E (althou I'm not doing it ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangtang6911 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Like Gregor has said, its different for everyone.Personally, I think that legs together planche is harder than a maltese, but there are people that are the other way around. Generally though, I think inverted cross is harder than a regular cross because in an invert cross, you have to worry about balance also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braindx Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Wangtang6911 said: Like Gregor has said, its different for everyone.Personally, I think that legs together planche is harder than a maltese, but there are people that are the other way around. Generally though, I think inverted cross is harder than a regular cross because in an invert cross, you have to worry about balance also.Inverted is MANY times harder... not only because of hte balance but because of the strength required in much smaller muscles (upper traps, delts, biceps, forearms) compared to cross (lats, chest, biceps, forearms). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 If' it's harder, why gymnasts do often very long inverted cross and very short iron cross ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 to catch the swing :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 How much skill transfert is there from regular cross to inverted?For example, 10 sec of iron cross can raise your ability to hold a better inverted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangtang6911 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Felipe said: How much skill transfert is there from regular cross to inverted?For example, 10 sec of iron cross can raise your ability to hold a better inverted?I don't think it works like that.Like someone has said above, an invert cross utilizes different muscles. There are different ways to do an invert cross, but they are all equally hard. One way, you can do it like Jovtchev and really just arch your back a lot, but that still requires a lot more shoulder and upper chest strength than in a cross.The other way I have seen it done is from handstand position, but this would require a ton of the upper back muscles not used in a cross. The hardest thing for me for an inverted cross is the locking point. In a cross, I can just drop down until my shoulders lock and I can hold it. For an invert cross, I can't find for that locking point for the life of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braindx Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Felipe said: How much skill transfert is there from regular cross to inverted?For example, 10 sec of iron cross can raise your ability to hold a better inverted?For all intents and purposes there is no skill transfer. Different skills altogether.Maltese and planche help more with inverted than cross does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Can anyone of you guys provide a link to a page with them skills and their ratings? I'm unable to locate them on FIG's webpage and the one's on drillsandskills do end with an E, and seem to be missing some skills, esp. the named ones. Anyhow I didn't figger that planche is that hard, harder than a cross and for some as hard as a maltese, I assume that on the p-bars it isn't as hard as on the rings, but god damn anyway.Cheers,Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 http://www.sportcentric.com/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,5187-188050-205272-nav-list,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Thanks Blairbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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