Street workout (Vladimir Sadkov)

[Alessandro Mainente]

Sorry but If you think that arched is harder is simply because you have low biomechanic knowledge.

[Ivan Pavlovic]

Sorry but If you think that arched is harder is simply because you have low biomechanic knowledge.

And i almost believed that arched is harder, although it does not make sense why it would be so.

[Alessandro Mainente]

You can share with us a thesis of why is better, or you words, remain words.nothing more

[Joshua Slocum]

Arched is easier. You never see someone whose maltese is arched when they are fresh and becomes straight when they are fatigued, but the reverse is commonplace. 

[Alessandro Mainente]

it is so obvious!

the natural body behavior ,when is facing down supported by arms, is to fall down.

you will defeat the natural fall of the belly by pushing hard with arms to create a counter lever + activate the serratus anterior against gravity to achieve hollow body.

 

maltese = push strength for leverage + push strength for protraction.

e.g maltese   = 100 newton  +  100 newton = 200 newton.

 

let's us to eliminate the strength to perform protraction:

maltese = 100 newton + 0

 

if your you 100 is higher then 200...revisit math

[Brian Li]

I don't think ajoOba said arching the lower back was harder. He said why should you hollow the lower back to make it harder when you are supposed to protract the scapulae to make it easier to hold when retracting makes it harder to hold.

[Carmen Schult]

did i miss a post or something? who said an arched maltese would be harder?

i meant it the way B1214N is describing it. sorry for any misunderstanding because of my bad english!

[gogy]

Guys, so basically Vladimir Sadkov is a scam in street workout community. Street workout should be kind of comunity of poor people who cannot afford expensive sport lessons and who practice on street to stay fit and strong. I know personaly many people do it cuz, gymanstics is to expensive. And than if someone comes from professional world of gymnastics as I reckon sadkov when he was younger its a bit inappropriate and he is taking away all gold prizes.

 

cheers 

[Brian Li]

it is so obvious!

the natural body behavior ,when is facing down supported by arms, is to fall down.

you will defeat the natural fall of the belly by pushing hard with arms to create a counter lever + activate the serratus anterior against gravity to achieve hollow body.

 

maltese = push strength for leverage + push strength for protraction.

e.g maltese   = 100 newton  +  100 newton = 200 newton.

 

let's us to eliminate the strength to perform protraction:

maltese = 100 newton + 0

 

if your you 100 is higher then 200...revisit math

Wait so now you are saying holding a maltese with retracted shoulders is easier than with protracted? I disagree with you and it is more complex than the math you are showing there.

 

I'm not advocating not protracting, but it is harder to push in a planche/maltese when your scapulae is retracted. You can test this out by holding a planche variation you can do without protraction and then test it out again with protraction and I'm sure you will find it harder to hold without protraction.

 

It just takes serratus anterior strength to protract which is pretty easy to build compared to the required push strength for leverage. Protraction strength is never a limiting factor for me; it is the push strength for leverage that fails first.

 

Were you referring to retracted scapulae as "arching"?

[Alessandro Mainente]

do not confound my example, i do not says retraction is easy, but it requires less strength. 

no matter how my attempts i'll do, i'm not able to hold a retracted version (due to natural muscles insertion and coordination, retraction is nearly connected with arched lower back) simply because my brain know to held the position by protraction and not by retraction. and this is a natural mechanism of protection. you learn what you practice.

the serratus anterior is absolutely a little muscle compared to lumbar spine that you use in arched version. but squeezing it less you can reach the same tension as squeeze the serratus anterior much stronger. 

[Brian Li]

You will not be building serratus anterior strength if you don't protract, but how does it require less strength when it is harder to push when in planche and maltese? I also disagree that retraction is connected to lower back arching because I have tested it and can have retraction and flat lower back at the same time. I also train planches and malteses with protraction by the way so I haven't did any training for them with retracted scapulae.

[hype]

Guys you need to understand something, sadkov DOES NOT TRAIN TO BE A GYMNAST ...

He doesn't care if it's not perfect, he trains for his own pleasure, like most of us in the SW community.

You should stop hating cause at the end of the day I bet you all wished you were as strong as him (and I include myself here) but we're not.

[Alan Tseng]

Guys you need to understand something, sadkov DOES NOT TRAIN TO BE A GYMNAST ...

He doesn't care if it's not perfect, he trains for his own pleasure, like most of us in the SW community.

You should stop hating cause at the end of the day I bet you all wished you were as strong as him (and I include myself here) but we're not.

I don't.  I wish to be stronger.

[Alexander Egebak]

Guys you need to understand something, sadkov DOES NOT TRAIN TO BE A GYMNAST ...

He doesn't care if it's not perfect, he trains for his own pleasure, like most of us in the SW community.

You should stop hating cause at the end of the day I bet you all wished you were as strong as him (and I include myself here) but we're not.

When he trains with "incorrect" form he will neglect fast progress. It does not matter if he wants to be a gymnast or not; if he wants to get stronger the best way possible he should train "correctly". If he just wants to throw off party tricks in random videos, well, no problem, but most be will want to get stronger, so why should we not discuss what he does - because it is not the best way.

[Ivan Pavlovic]

Guys you need to understand something, sadkov DOES NOT TRAIN TO BE A GYMNAST ...

He doesn't care if it's not perfect, he trains for his own pleasure, like most of us in the SW community.

You should stop hating cause at the end of the day I bet you all wished you were as strong as him (and I include myself here) but we're not.

I'm saying this again, Sadkov was a gymnast untile sw become popular. He probably saw easy money in it.

[hype]

I don't agree.. Not everyone wants to be a gymnast and work with gymnastic rules and conventions..

I personally don't, and prefer to stay in street workout, learn things my way while incorporating my own creativity and ideas to it.

Don't get me wrong tho! I have HUGE respect for gymnasts and I agree with you guys that they are stronger. The elite athletes o gymnastic have been working and preparing their joints, muscles, etc since they were child, so no one cam really beat that. I myself wish my parents had put me in gst when I was a child xdd

But still, SW athletes are very strong and creative, and even though their mouvements are not 100% perfect according to gst standards, the essential is that they work hard, have fun and do things their own way. Everyone brings a new flavor to it, which is the beautiful spirit of SW

[Brian Li]

I'm saying this again, Sadkov was a gymnast untile sw become popular. He probably saw easy money in it.

You can actually make money by competing in SW?

[Ivan Pavlovic]

You can actually make money by competing in SW?

If you're so strong as Sadkov then yes. And there are also sponsors.

[Brian Li]

Besides the sponsors, do they get money by placing in the medal podium in competitions?

[hype]

I don't think so.. It's only a trophee.

Sw is still a young sport in development so there isn't a lot of money to do as an athlete yet

[Brian Li]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

By the way, I don't consider SW workout as a sport since they don't have a Code of Points or a grading system for the skills. Until they implement one, it remains only as a contest. The name street workout implies as a form of workout or fitness anyways.

[hype]

True, competitions are too unfair right now.. They also need to put some categories, like weight categories and mabey speciality categories (strength, endurance, weighted cali, etc.)

[Alan Tseng]

I don't agree.. Not everyone wants to be a gymnast and work with gymnastic rules and conventions..

I personally don't, and prefer to stay in street workout, learn things my way while incorporating my own creativity and ideas to it.

Don't get me wrong tho! I have HUGE respect for gymnasts and I agree with you guys that they are stronger. The elite athletes o gymnastic have been working and preparing their joints, muscles, etc since they were child, so no one cam really beat that. I myself wish my parents had put me in gst when I was a child xdd

But still, SW athletes are very strong and creative, and even though their mouvements are not 100% perfect according to gst standards, the essential is that they work hard, have fun and do things their own way. Everyone brings a new flavor to it, which is the beautiful spirit of SW

It's has nothing to do with being a gymnast.  GymnasticBodies isn't about technical gymnastics, it is about Gymnastic Strength Training™.  I'm not trying to be a gymnast, I can't even do a backwards roll on floor, and I've only been to 1 gymnastic session my entire life.  But other people can call this training we do whatever they want, calisthenics, street workout, etc.  But to get the results I want, I follow "this", not because it's to learn "gymnastics," but because I want to do a perfect front lever or a planche

[hype]

It's has nothing to do with being a gymnast.  GymnasticBodies isn't about technical gymnastics, it is about Gymnastic Strength Training™.  I'm not trying to be a gymnast, I can't even do a backwards roll on floor, and I've only been to 1 gymnastic session my entire life.  But other people can call this training we do whatever they want, calisthenics, street workout, etc.  But to get the results I want, I follow "this", not because it's to learn "gymnastics," but because I want to do a perfect front lever or a planche

That's it, you said it... '' I '' ! mabey having the perfect front lever or planche is part of YOUR goals, but mabey it's not part of HIS goals. you can't bash on other ppl for not sharing the same goals.. that's my point!

[Brian Li]

It's has nothing to do with being a gymnast.  GymnasticBodies isn't about technical gymnastics, it is about Gymnastic Strength Training™.  I'm not trying to be a gymnast, I can't even do a backwards roll on floor, and I've only been to 1 gymnastic session my entire life.  But other people can call this training we do whatever they want, calisthenics, street workout, etc.  But to get the results I want, I follow "this", not because it's to learn "gymnastics," but because I want to do a perfect front lever or a planche

You said you want to be stronger than Sadkov, but your goal is a perfect FL and planche? Those aren't even hard for him at all. You shouldn't be hating on other people just because they compete in SW and besides you have to become as strong as he is before you can surpass him.