Developing the Victorian

[Felipe]

Coach,

what are the drills to perform a Victorian on rings?

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=GfjKLvcmVWA

[kbryk]

I would work on Crosses and L-crosses, front levers, and having super duper strong joints. Most people want to learn the cross , front lever or back lever, those are tough enough, until you master those come back in another 3 years. Victorian is a really tough skill and unless you do competitive gymnastics it will be hard for you to set your sights on such a hard skill.

[Felipe]

I know that, only a few (read: 2-3) had this skill IN THE WORLD, so it must be pretty difficult...

[kbryk]

No, many people have this skill, but having it rock solid is tough.

[John Sapinoso]

No, many people have this skill, but having it rock solid is tough.

Where are your sources?

I highly doubt you're thinking of the right skill.

I've seen two:

Danny Rodrigues of France

&

Peter Derman of Stanford

If by "have" you mean "can pause in the position while falling down", then yeah, I "have" the skill too.

Those are the only two I've known to compete it and I doubt they'd get credit, or if the did, they'd get some deduction

But it's still amazing nonetheless.

Here's my estimate of what it would take aka "superhuman strength":

Hold a front lever with 1/3 body weight attached to your ankles for 15 seconds

10 front lever pullups with 1/4 body weight attached to ankles

10 "cranks" with 1/8 body weight attached to ankles

And it would help to have chicken legs too

and i'd assume you could also work these by starting in an L support with feet on a swiss ball or mat and do lean back negatives

and the similar progressions to planche could also be applicable

tuck adv tuck and straddle

[kbryk]

Yea I was saying people can throw up the skill but can hardly hold it. No harm intended.

[Guest Valentin]

Given that Danny Rodrigues is the only one to really get close to horizontal i would say that this is probably the hardest skill out there on rings.

Training for it would require more then just good will and hard effort.

For 1 Ring specialists have a particular type of physique and anthropometric scores. They do then to be to be top heavy. Their legs tend to be slightly shorted then the torso, and their leg development ain't so great, they also tend to be relatively short, and it seems that its a trend to have short hair haha. However.. in seriousness i don't think this is a skill attainable by many, not just cause its so difficult but because you need to fit the profile as well.

This skill would require extreme core strength for 1 - So this mean planches, front levers, cranks, you name it shouldn't be a problem.

A front lever with additional resistance is definitely a start (and held for time as well)

Lots and lots of horizontal lat pulldowns using bungee and if you can weights with the pulley machines

Specific muscle group hypertrophy, in order to increase potential relative strenght gains

Tricep work like you would not believe... Anything and everything you can think of..especially straight arm negatives. Including spotted front lever to Victorian pulls... Jesus that would be hard.

Just to name some of the exericses that would help

[Guest Ido Portal]

I would set up the Pbars in a bit of a V shape and would start by holding the body horizontaly between the bars, with the arms fully supported by the bars, from the back of the shoulders to the palms gripping from above.

I would then proceed to take the shoulders off the end of the bars, then the upper arms, elbows, etc... until one can hold the victorian holding the end of the Pbars with the palms and with the arms behind it, suspended in mid air.

Only after being able to do it on a stable aparatus like the Pbars, can you expect to do it on the rings. There is no Planche on the rings without one on the floor...

[John Sapinoso]

Ido has the right idea,

I've done a maltese version of what he described and they were very helpful

(start in hang push to maltese through to vertical)

So i'm guessing you could rep them in a similar way in conjunction with statics.

[cathal]

here is a cool picture of the victorian

[Kevin]

What makes the Victorian so much more difficult than the Front Lever?

[Alex]

here is a cool picture of the victorian

awesome

[Alex]

What makes the Victorian so much more difficult than the Front Lever?

I'm no expert but i'd imagine a much harder leverage disadvantage.

[Gregor]

here is a cool picture of the victorian

His body is to low, that is not a victorian!!! It's more like very high front lever, and second he has a loaded grip, wich is much easier.

I'm trying to develop the victorian. It's realy hard, but in two years time is possible. It will not be a victorian but like rodrigez element (it was not recognized as rodrigez, beacuse for recognition you must show it at the olypmics, world chapionship or at the Final of world cups-competition every two years). I'll not tell it's a secret The main problem is to low hips (not legs and sholders), so there for is at the limit for recognition (maybe yes, maybe no). I've already done a victorian then push to the swallow and then almost to the inverted cross. But in a code of point says, for combination you need to rais above from last position (so victorian and swallow are in the same line).

[cathal]

do you think danny rodriguez will have a full victorian in the locker for the olympics?

[Gregor]

What do you mean full victorian?

By the way, he is doing victorian with wheight belt And now his victorians are little better (more streched), a bit low in a swing victorian but better.

He has got 17,3 with C dismount WTF :shock:

[cathal]

the ones on youtube ive seen him doing arent exactly perfect as far as i can see. i should have phrased my question as "will he have a perfect victorian for the olympics". obviously if hes doing them with a weight belt he will :shock:

is he the only olympic gymnast who has mastered the victorian?

[Gregor]

Yes, but never say never.

this is better but second one is a little to short, i've saw him do even better.