ForzaCavaliere Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 You've waited 12 years and 6 lazer collections... for this: May the debate as to whether it is possible or not, rest in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Svensson Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I haven't been following these discussions all that much but I thought the CTI was supposed to be with locked arms and having them parallell with the ground? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaCavaliere Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 I haven't been following these discussions all that much but I thought the CTI was supposed to be with locked arms and having them parallell with the ground?Darn I was getting so hyped up too! Way to deflate the hype, man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaCavaliere Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 I knew about locked arms but I never thought anyone was thinking about getting parallel to the ground lol. Feel so silly now, gotta delete this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Ravn Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Kinda underwhelming, considering the hype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaCavaliere Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Yes I must apologise for all the hype, looks like I was the only one impressed by this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Truelove Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Close to impossible remains impossible. Join us next time where you'll see another video of someone not doing a CTI with a title that says otherwise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Liow Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Although it really is physically impossible, could this stigma of it being possible be due jasper benincasa the legend saying it was possible? For his fans, saying that the cti is impossible is also saying that benincasa was a blatant liar. Could this be perhaps why people cant accept it being impossible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Svensson Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Darn I was getting so hyped up too! Way to deflate the hype, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Still fairly impressive with some work to go.And figure it would be some russian. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Stangerup Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I suspect the reason why people won't accept the hypothesis that it is impossible, is that you can't actually prove that something is impossible. As a matter of fact, history is littered with knowledgeable people making erroneous assumptions about something being impossible, and then looking like fools when posterity proves them wrong. What if someone comes along who has abnormally short arms, atrophied legs and a grip made of steel? If he can do it, but a person with normal proportions can't is it then impossible? It depends on the definition of "impossible" obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Mainente Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I suspect that people who say is possible have simply very poor knowledge about simple concepts as biomechanic , leverage , torque and force momentum.well it's interesting that i told about this problem to different graduated physic teachers at university (also my father) and all of them have the same opinion as me, that is not possible, confirming my hypothesis. on the contrary 100 thousands people around the world affirm that is possible, well they are not graduated in physics. interesting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Reipert Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 i´m pretty sure somewhere on this planet there are people who COULD do it, if they really trained for it but it is such an obscure skill that not even 0.05% (wild guess) of the world know about it. there are so many physical freaks on this planet nobody even heard of. there are college football players power cleaning 200kg with ease using atrocious technique... almost everyone knows what a bench press is, almost everyone knows what a squat is, almost everyone knows what a 100m sprint is and so on. there are so many people trying these discplines, you could think that the records obtained there show the real human limits. but how many people have actually tried a CTI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Mainente Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 i´m pretty sure somewhere on this planet there are people who COULD do it, if they really trained for it but it is such an obscure skill that not even 0.05% (wild guess) of the world know about it. there are so many physical freaks on this planet nobody even heard of. there are college football players power cleaning 200kg with ease using atrocious technique... almost everyone knows what a bench press is, almost everyone knows what a squat is, almost everyone knows what a 100m sprint is and so on. there are so many people trying these discplines, you could think that the records obtained there show the real human limits. but how many people have actually tried a CTI? more then what you think, and all of them failed.simply because they pass more time dreaming then analyzing the movement from a scientific pov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Di Virgilio Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I have a degree in Physics. It's impossible. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Pahl Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) I have a doctor in physics. It could be possible . The video guy lowers his horizontal arm lever via cheating by a factor of ~ 2, so his grip must be twice as strong to hold it in good form. From my experience with different grip strengths of my climbing buddies: This could be achievable. Edited September 18, 2014 by Christoph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Reipert Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I have a degree in Physics. It's impossible.you and alex: please elaborate why it should be PHYSICALLY impossible. given infinite lat and grip strength it should be definitely possible. the real question is, if there are people able to display the needed strength. please do not try to argue with the center of gravity because that is absolutely irrelevant in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Mainente Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 you and alex: please elaborate why it should be PHYSICALLY impossible. given infinite lat and grip strength it should be definitely possible. the real question is, if there are people able to display the needed strength. please do not try to argue with the center of gravity because that is absolutely irrelevant in this case.If I had infinite strength I could do everything 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Di Virgilio Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 you and alex: please elaborate why it should be PHYSICALLY impossible. given infinite lat and grip strength it should be definitely possible. the real question is, if there are people able to display the needed strength. please do not try to argue with the center of gravity because that is absolutely irrelevant in this case. You're right I wasn't clear, but I have never said that laws of physics forbid it, I said that in my opinion is impossible (for a human being). Let's assume that if we paste both hands of someone on a bar he could mantain his arms parallel to the ground and his body perpendicular, that is the problem if I've understanded correctly (don't make jokes on that I'm using this analogy only to express better my thinking), then the strength required is incredible but maybe someone could. In that case he will use his strength only to mantain that body shape. If the same guy tries to do that again without being pasted to the bar, he will have now to use the same strenght that he used before to mantein his body shape plus a grip force similar to 50000 Newton, impossible for human beings, to oppose the momentum of his own weight. In my opinion the guy on the video cheated by a factor much more greater than 2 because not only his arms, but also hid body was inclined.Sure with infinite strength there would be no problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Pavlovic Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If strongest gymnasts in the world struggle with victorian then imagine how strong should be person who can hold CTI. Not possible, at least for next 50 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Reipert Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 If I had infinite strength I could do everything If I had infinite strength I could do everything no. even with infinite strength there are things you could not do because the laws of physics forbid it. thats not the case with the CTI and that was what i was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaCavaliere Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 If strongest gymnasts in the world struggle with victorian then imagine how strong should be person who can hold CTI. Not possible, at least for next 50 years. Not a fair comparison because gymnasts don't actively train for the CTI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Widmann Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 How can the phrase "infinite lat and grip strength" be a given when the discussion is about what is possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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