Advanced Frog Stand elbow question

[Samuel Carr]

So ive progressed thru the basic frog stand and can hold it for 15 seconds with little fatigue. Im moving onto the advanced frog stand, but when i place my knees on to my locked elbows for support, the strain feels too great on my elbows and i have to return my arms to a bent position. Is this a problem with my elbows? Also, should i try going thru the basic frog stand progression again but just focus on keeping my arms straighter (still slightly bent) until i can have my elbows completely locked? Thanks for any help

[jspark]

I'm also working the frogstand, but my target is 60 seconds (I'm just about there). I started it before I got the book. Though the book suggests 15 seconds as a goal to move to the next step, Coach's original article Olympic Bodies, stated you should work up to sixty seconds on each (lower level) static hold before graduating to the next item in the progression. Can anyone clarify?

Also, in anticipating the difficulty of the tuck planche transition, I am trying to put as little pressure on my elbows with my knees as possible during the frogstand (extra tough on the abs). I expect this would also help in the straight elbow frogstand.

[Blairbob]

It's 60s of total volume in a workout. Once you can do a progression for 15s, it's time to move on IF, if you can do the next progression for 2-3s.

Straight frogstand with the knees on the triceps or elbows can be uncomfortable for some. Most of my boy's don't like this position because of that discomfort. Even I'm not that super invigorated by it.

[jspark]

Blairbob,

Thanks for weighing in. Here's the quote from the original article:

"The number of sets it takes to reach the 60 seconds combined total time is irrelevant. All that matters is that you accomplish 60 seconds of “quality workâ€. Once you can hold a position correctly for the entire 60 seconds in one set, it is time to move on to the next harder exercise and begin the training procedure all over again. Now there are some exceptions to this rule, but we will address them later as we come to them."

Did Coach discontinue this recommendation at some point in favor of the popular Steady State Cycle?

Is anyone else working out this way? (I have gotten used to it myself)

Sorry if this seems like a hijack, but I think this is closely related with what the OP was asking.

[Samuel Carr]

So for the advanced frog stand, you can hold your knees either behind your elbows OR triceps as long as the elbows are completely locked and the arms straight?