griffdrc Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 i think its important to make a distinction... the bench press is not the tool for straight arm strength... it aids in chest/shoulder strength... you can't take the exercise out of context... beneficial but not a miracle exercise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangtang6911 Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 The back of his left shoulder is hurting now ... I remember him saying that the bench press was very important and this was his reasoning. The bench press motion strengthens your front shoulders and your chest. These muscles are very important for keeping a hollow chest while holding a maltese or planche ...This might explain why his front shoulder is abnormally large! ...This would appear to be symptomatic of a classic bench press muscle imbalance. Mingyong is capable of a truly tremendous 130kg bench press at a bodyweight of 50kg. However given the location of his shoulder pain and training history, my assumption is that his rowing strength is nowhere nearly as developed as his horizontal pressing strength. Massage therapy and shoulder prehab are both important components of shoulder health, however unless the underlying causation of the problem is attended to (in this case a severe muscular imbalance between the anterior and posterior delts), focusing on treating the secondary symptoms will ultimately fail to properly address the situation. In the long term, utilizing a maintainence routine for his bench press coupled with an aggressive emphasis of building his rowing strength to a level complimentary with his horizontal pressing strength should greatly alleviate this issue.In the short term, it is very important to understand that cortisone shots simply block the pain and are not causing accelerated healing of the area. This creates a tremendous problem as the athlete now has a perceptible drop in their level of pain and usually uses this opportunity to increase the intensity of their training. However the reality is that the athlete is now actually increasing the damage to the injured area without their conscious knowledge; in essence this is the physiological equivalent of pouring more gasoline on a burning house rather than attempting to put the fire out :shock:. Once the numbing effect of the original coritsone shot has worn off, the athlete is now faced with an injury that is far more painful and serious than it was prior to receiving the shot.Unless great care is taken, it is quite common for this situation to digress into a cycle of repeated corizone shots, with an ever-decreasing duration inbetween the shots until the area is finally so damaged structurally that no further high level training is possible.Yours in Fitness,Coach SommerThis is very interesting. Thanks for that long write up! I have heard cases where Chinese national team members, even Qiao qin the pommels champ at 08, have taken cortisone shots every other week because of an area of pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braindx Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Yes, unfortunately gymnasts and coaches with the exception of Coach Sommer here from what I've seen don't know how to take care of muscle imbalances and other joint problems too well. Probably just from lack of knowledge.Hopefully Mingyong gets this resolved correctly. He definitely LOOKS stronger than Yibing from the vids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Yibing has a lot of style, and his dismount is always perfect, but his last competions have lower quality than before...slow starting of quadriennial cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Yibing has a lot of style, and his dismount is always perfect, but his last competions have lower quality than before...slow starting of quadriennial cycle?He hook the ring with leg at the dismount. So he didn't get to finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangtang6911 Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sorry for not posting any updates recently. I have been out of the gym all week because of a hurt shoulder and ankle. I will be back in there next week though! I do have kind of a good story to tell regarding a date I had and gymnastics hahahahaLater you guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangtang6911 Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share Posted December 24, 2009 Whats up everyone! So........ its been a while and I haven't been doing much in that time! I have been slowly getting back into the gym and all that. SO, back to Yan Mingyong:His weekly training schedule consists of one full day of training, one half day of training. Full day is 6 to 7 hours in the gym and half day is half that.He will only do routines on his full days and even on those days, he will do 2 to 3 routines max! The rest of the time, he will spend training the other 3 events he competes (Pommels, p-bars, and high bar) and ring strength. On his half days, he spends A LOT of time doing exercises that will strengthen his joints! He also spends some time to do very basic moves on the apparatuses. On top of all that, he runs and stretches a lot! I got a couple of videos of him doing stuff on the rings! Nothing you guys probably haven't seen on youtube already, but I will be trying to send those to the coach as soon as possible!!Let me know if you have any questions that you want me to relay to Yan Mingyong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Naterman Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I'm curious as to how much total training time he puts into the various areas per week. I know you specified for the full day, but how many days is he actually training? Just two? is he coming in on "off" days to do more work, or just stretch, or not at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasquatch Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I was wondering what progressions did he use to learn things like planche and maltese? The coach at my old gym said If I want to learn the planche I should practice press handstands a lot, he used to be a ring specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangtang6911 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 I'm curious as to how much total training time he puts into the various areas per week. I know you specified for the full day, but how many days is he actually training? Just two? is he coming in on "off" days to do more work, or just stretch, or not at all?I don't watch him closely enough to judge his breakdown on various areas, but if I were to take what I have seen, I would say that on full days, he spends about 30% of the time warming up and stretching, 20% on rings, 20% on strength, and 30% on the other events. It might change depending on if he is getting ready for a meet and what events he is competing at that meet.Chinese national team trains 6 days a week on the full day half day schedule. On off days, he comes into the gym to do work with the theraband, stretch out, weights, and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangtang6911 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 I was wondering what progressions did he use to learn things like planche and maltese? The coach at my old gym said If I want to learn the planche I should practice press handstands a lot, he used to be a ring specialist.I think for both maltese and planche, he did a lot of the drill where you place 2 spring boards next to each other and do a maltese and press up from there. That seems to be a staple workout for the Japanese gymnasts like Tomita as well. As for other exercises, he says its good to have a coach spot you while you go through your strength sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 In world class champions seems all easy, even training. But when you look closely :shock: I train together with Mitja Petkovsek (Ex-world champion, few times europian champion on parallel bars). He doesn't get of from a p.bars at all, he even rest on it like girls on a beam... He does 10 healys with form of his rank in a row. then he sits on a bar, rest for a few seconds ask to throw him a magnesium and continus with another 10 series of diamidoff and again sits on a bar.....and so on. At the end he says: "I am a old guy, I can't do so much anymore" and go home until second training later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasquatch Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Thanks for answering all our questions, Wang. Its really cool that you get to see and talk to him every day. So was Yan always pretty strong before he started his ring training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangtang6911 Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 He is back in Beijing now because of his upcoming competitions, but Yes, he was always really strong. He could do a perfect maltese at age 13. The Shanghai gym almost didn't want him because he was a stocky kid and didn't think his body would look "beautiful" doing gymnastics.On a side note, I am an idiot and left my backpack in a taxi last weekend. In the backpack was my camera with all my recent videos......... I am really pissed about it. Sorry guys, I won't be able to show you the exclusive footage of Yan Mingyong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Van Bockxmeer Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 'exclusive footage'...almost sounds like some kind of papparazi scandal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wangtang6911 Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 'exclusive footage'...almost sounds like some kind of papparazi scandalNah, its just a video of his dog pissing in the gym and then other videos of me making him say retarded things in english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisGoossens Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 'exclusive footage'...almost sounds like some kind of papparazi scandalNah, its just a video of his dog pissing in the gym and then other videos of me making him say retarded things in english.Wow, i hope you get your camera back soon, i'm really curious, i really want to know his strenght schedule, and how he trains his positions... + a few post ago you said : 'I think for both maltese and planche, he did a lot of the drill where you place 2 spring boards next to each other and do a maltese and press up from there. That seems to be a staple workout for the Japanese gymnasts like Tomita as well. As for other exercises, he says its good to have a coach spot you while you go through your strength sequence.'Could you film that? because of my lack of english I don't understand?Thanks for everything Wangtang, i hope i can count on you for more tips and information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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