Handless Front Walkover thing

[Seiji]

Where I come from, we call it a webster

In these websters, we end up a little sideways in the end. What are the advantages/disadvantages of landing facing forward? It would be more elegant and useful on the balance beam, but is there anything else? Also, it seems landing facing forwards would take a good bit of abdominal flexibility (which I don't have).

Here is a video of the gymnastic version: 4:19

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This is mine: TO ALL TT MEMBERS. DO NOT SHOW THIS CLIP TO ANYONE ELSE. I'm not using it in my sampler because I have a better clip, but I don't want this to get out yet.

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[dlsso]

Not bad on the webster. From the martial artists perspective, it's basically the difference between turning the hip out on your axe kick and keeping it straight. Both are fine. However, I believe keeping it straight will be much better for combos.

One thing I've noticed is that gymnasts arch their back and bring the first leg down straight. Free runners and trickers usually tuck and bring the first leg down bent. I have no idea which you are going for, which is easier, which is better or anything but I notice you're kind of in between. Very slightly tucked, very slightly bent leg.

The reason I mention all that is because the tricker way doesn't require core flexibility. If you tuck more and reach your first leg under you it should be just a matter of keeping it straight.

Just a couple thoughts. Maybe a gymnast can chime in with something more useful.

[Blairbob]

In gymnastics, the prerequisite for a front/forward aerial walkover is the front walkover. If you can do a FWO, you have a base amount of flexibility in the shoulders and back and stomach and probably legs.

Tucking allows you to skip this besides making the lever shorter so you rotate faster over.

[jamesters]

You've removed the clip but Seiji, but there's a difference between a webster and a front aerial. Webster you land feet together (basically it's a step out front flip), front aerial is much harder, you land one foot at a time like you would in a regular aerial.

[Seiji]

Ah, I put the video back up. Decided not to care whether or not TS sees it

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[dlsso]

Wouldn't landing one leg at a time be easier if you're taking off of one leg? Otherwise you have to wait for the back to catch up...

[Seiji]

I see where jamesters is going here.

In a webster, you land on two legs because of the tuck. I used to land on two legs when I first learned, so that explains how a webster would be easier.

In this front aerial (never heard of it honestly, but that's what I'm doing in the video I guess), it's easier to land one leg at a time because the other one would have to catch up. (like you said) Is front aerial a tricking term?

Also, I can webster by just standing there and BAM! I need a running start for that kind of webster (front aerial). Also helps show the difficulty.

[Guest]

This is what a true front aerial is supposed to look like:

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Don't know if there's a name for it in tricking, to be honest most trickers probably can't do one with gymnastic form, i.e. no running start and completely to the front with insane back flexibility (not that I'm saying they should ).

[dlsso]

The problem is I don't think people in tricking really differentiate between the two. Obviously for the less flexible the tucked skill is going to be much much easier. The only tricker I've seen do it completely the front aerial way was a girl who I think had been in gymnastics.

There are a good number who do it untucked but mostly like this:

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Though I'm still not sure why it wouldn't be easier to land one leg at a time even if you tuck. You can tuck with the legs somewhat separated, like this:

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[jamesters]

Have you tried the skill dlsso? Even if semi tucked like in that video, it's still harder to land one leg at a time since your foot comes to the ground sooner than feet together. With a webster, it's not that the back leg has to catch up to the front leg, it's that they both tuck in, meaning the front leg comes up to the chest along with the back leg, giving more time/more space to land as opposed to leaving the kicking leg in the front.

As far as I know, most tricksters don't differentiate between webster (landing both feet) and front aerial (landing one foot), simply calling both kinds webster, while most gymnasts don't do websters at all (only front aerial). I do think it's important to differentiate though since they're quite different skills with different applications, or implications... or whichever one o those words applies.