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Handstand shoulder angle & routine advice


Brendan Coad
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  • 4 weeks later...
Brendan Coad

Going to really focus on my static tuck HS and the dynamic tuck up. Here is my starting point:

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Aaron Griffin

So what is your routine actually like, regarding handstands? I currently do 3x60s holds as part of a warmup before strength work, and then spend about 10-15 minutes on the off days (tues/thurs) doing just handstand work.

I'm curious if you have a more structured routine. Your progress is awesome, and I've love to be where you are now.

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Brendan Coad

I practice about 2-2.5 hours a day right now 4 days on 1 day off. Mind you that is probably about 1.5 hours if I was uninterrupted(new baby :), have to do stuff around the house while I practice etc...) and that also includes warmup stretching and mobility.

I will warmup, do some skill work, a few sets of strength work and then some longer endurance holds. I then finish up with mobility and joint prep. I work on different things on each of the days but alot of it is the same. I also try to change things to focus on what problems I currently have identified so nothing has stayed too similar for too long so far.

One of the 4 days I also spend some time on Elbow Lever and Air Baby but Im not too focused on those right now.

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This is just my observation, from having got into tuck HS work too soon in my own practice.

The problem with the tuck as you are doing it is it compromises the body line so much. Unfortunately this is how i learned HS and have spent the better part of the last year working hard to unlearn it.

The compromised body line will make it harder to balance, and tend to move one into balancing from the waist or hips rather than the rebalance off the wrist and finger tips.

I'm ruing hard to avoid the temptation to go back to this until my freestanding HS is solid.

As a prep for press to HS the jump to tuck is good, but treat it as a strength element for the time being.

Just my two cents...

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yuri marmerstein

try to keep your shins vertical when you tuck up to HS. this will help you to avoid arching on the way up

it will get better as you develop more compression though

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I have been trying to work on a few of the things suggested in here. My tendency in my line is to pike a bit, obviously I need to work on that. I still haven't hit 1:00 yet. I've gotten close a few times but just not there yet. My focus now is hitting that 1 minute. I haven't had much time to film lately but was able to get some footage from a session a few days ago.

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yuri marmerstein

really try to focus on opening up your hips. If you do it right, it will get rid of your shoulder angle as well

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Today while warming up I bent my right thumb all the way back =/

So I did a bit of pulling strength work, flexibility and didn't spend too much time on my hands. I was actually surprised that I was able to get up on my hands at all while basically leaving my right thumb limp. I tried to open my hips and the groove seemed to fit when I was in it for about 1-2 sec. Sometimes I can't tell if my position looks better or if its in my head. Hopefully I can figure out how the position is supposed to "feel" so I can start building up some decent time. I think my position probably looks the best at around 27 seconds.

Ibuprofen after the workout and will be keeping the fish oil high for a day or two and see if that helps.

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Brendan your HS looks much like mine.

I'm fortunate to have Mikael Kristensen come visit us twice a year which has been very helpful, though i still have a long way to go. I'll share the advice he gave me to help correct as it made a massive difference.

Your hips are dropping behind your center of gravity and the effort to open the hips is worsening the problem. Mikael told me not to worry about opening the hips even if it meant i pike a little bit! He then put his fingers at the bottom of my sternum and pushed it in while telling me to squeeze my gutes and legs. The result was for the first time i was able to hold a reasonably perfect hollow in the HS. We went over this together about a dozen times before he left for the plane on his last visit and it's made all the difference. Once you get the mid body comfortably tucked in and you feel like you are resting on your traps and balanced on top of the hands, you can then worry about any additional leg extension.

Not knowing your history well, this may or may not help, i realize it goes against what Yuri, himself a very accomplished balancer, says, so take that into account.

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yuri marmerstein

no worries, the beauty of hand balancing is the personal journey. There is not one technique that works for everyone, so you have to find your own path. Mikael and I come from different backgrounds, so we may look at things a bit differently, but there is not a clear case of right or wrong in this case, mostly just semantics.

I think your new video is looking better, the position is getting there. However, as Cole pointed out, your hips are slightly off center.

The right position is awkward feeling for a while, because you need to curl in your lower back while extending the hips. These movements somewhat oppose each other so it is difficult to do and feel, even more difficult to explain over the internet.

I think a useful exercise for you would be to stand with your back against the wall, try to flatten it out so you eliminate all space between you and the wall. Once this feels comfortable do it with your arms locked out overhead

Brendan: take a picture of your handstand and draw a vertical line from your hands. then you will be able to see what is out of line

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Thanks to you both. So far it has been really difficult to visualize what part of me was out of line. I could tell something was not right but never pinpoint it. After actually drawing the line on the picture it made clear to me where the correction both of you are discussing is going to come. Now I just have to do the work and see if I can figure it out while upside down. It's a very interesting and rewarding discipline indeed! I feel like soon it will be time again for some in person work with someone who knows what they are doing.

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The line is slightly off center but it makes the point.

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