Double Backflips

[Seiji]

It's very unlikely that I'm going to land one on friday, but if I adapt my roundoff well enough, it could happen.

The only way I can think about going for this is into a pit, on a trampoline, and back tucks onto mats. Obviously you can't roll out of a back tuck and a half, so I'm just trying to find ways I can practice this safely. I'm not going to just throw them randomly, don't worry. I tried a double back on a sucky trampoline once and freaked, thus landing on my neck. I never want that to happen again. It's been months and I can still feel it a little.

The funny thing is though, I don't find them scary. Learning single back tucks was scary, but double backflips aren't scary at all. They're just backflips held longer to me.

[yuri marmerstein]

What was your point in making this thread?

Saying that you might try a double back?

If you are going to do it, tape it, then post it. Otherwise don't waste our time with this nonsense.

If you are not confident, don't go for it. Practice into a pit and make sure to set, tuck hard, keep looking back and never let go of your tuck

[Seiji]

Wow, way to be aggressive.

I was asking how it's taught in gymnastics. I'm very aware of their danger and I really don't want to hurt myself. Plus, I've never been into a gym before, so I might end up wasting my time on an inefficient drill that has no purpose. Like I said, I have neck problems from one on a trampoline, I'm afraid a fall like that again, even on a trampoline, could end up in a serious injury. I close my eyes during flips. I know I shouldn't, but I just can't manage to keep them open. I work on proprioception apparently and that probably isn't good for attempting double anythings. In fact, I heard it's extremely dangerous. I'm scared of hurting myself, but I'm not afraid to do them. I just wanted some advice. If anyone here can do them, I'd love to know how they got them. I'm only aware of the tricker method: throw and pray + one at the peak and one falling instead of one up one down.

I don't know what it means to "set". I've heard the term, but it holds no meaning. Is that like where you throw your arms up at rebound and get ready to tuck?

[yuri marmerstein]

keep your arms by your ears, you should feel a stretch in your shoulders as you go up. This starts to rotate you, then you complete it by tucking

Yes, 1.5 back onto a raised mat is also a good drill.

If this is your first time in a gym, I wouldn't recommend doing dub backs unless you are going into a pit

[Razz]

Even into a pit you can get hurt, in fact all my major injuries were in the pit :S

1: standing back tuck into a foam pit (not all the small squares but one big foam cube) landed weird because of the soft foam and hurt my back, this injury is still bothering me.

2:shoulder dislocation by landing on stommach in a pit with lots of small cubes and arms above head.

3: smashing through the cubes into the cement floor under the pit with straight body from 3-4m high jump..ouch!!!! One of the genious middle east constructions - a 1meter deep pit :|

[John Sapinoso]

What was your point in making this thread?

haha yeah bro, learn to filter before you post. make a video and i'm sure members will be glad to critique. making a thread to say "I might try a cross today, it's unlikely that I'll hold it but if i squeeze hard enough, it could happen" or something similar is not something we do.

[Blairbob]

Pits in the states are supposed to be at least 6' deep I think. Maybe more.

I can't remember if a decent one has 4' of foam and a tramp bed with 2 feet clearance of the bottom so the tramp can depress. I think this is recommended bare minimum.

Basic drills.

Back drop. You need to know how to do a back drop with legs piked to ceiling and a corpse drop, body flat as a corpse. Of course, before this is a basic seat drop. Super basic is seat drop to back drop. Then back drop from a squatting position and then from stand then from a bounce, big bounce. Figure out how to bounce back to your feet in an arched body position (like landing a front handspring).

Of course, you can probably do a backward roll, preferably with bent arms to handstand.

One of the next drills is backward peanut roll. Of course you should not how to do this forward. Seat drop to table drop (hands and knees, hips at 90 degrees), forward roll or flip to seat drop is basic. Also good to know how to do it to HS.

Next we work the back drop into a backward roll. From a stand, sit down to the seat drop by piking your legs. There will be a little bounce to it.

Eventually back drop to backward roll. Then backdrop to handstand. Backdrop to stomach drop. Backdrop to back flip to feet. Also good to know how to do this from a seat drop.

The backdrop and seat drop to stomach is crucial as is the standing back flip to hands and knees and stomach drop. We are teaching timers for the 3/4 flip besides the 1 1/4 timer.

Now eventually instead of just back flip to feet we move on to doing that and adding a back drop. Then we back flip to back. We work this higher and higher besides a tuck open and layout to feet.

We learn the high 1 1/4 to back. Preferably there is a pit to work doubles into.

I can't remember if we work 1 3/4. Scary sounding. But the whole point is to master your aerial awareness as far as trampoline goes.

For doubles into pit, you bring a mini tramp to the edge of the pit. Face the low end at the edge of the pit. Get a spotting block and place in front of the the high end of the mini-tramp. Now practice bouncing to handstand from mini tramp to on top of the block. This is also a good fun drill when you have a trampoline that goes into pit and you can place the block on one side of the trampoline and then do snapdown whip series into pit or whip-whip or whip, back (t,p,l),etc

Then bounce to handstand, snap your feet down onto the mini, push off the block; set your arms and wrap like a SOB. You'll probably end up buried in the pit. Of course, work a simple stretch-jump set before as well as snap down, whip into pit (basically a BHS) or snap down back (t,p,l).

There should be a lot of this in Dan Millman's video on Trampoline. Some material is available on Youtube.

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[Blairbob]

When you can do all of those tramp drills, then you should try the doubles. Maybe. A belt would be nice but generally requires two people if they even have a spotting rig for an adult.