Standing Full Compared To Tumbling Full

[jamesters]

Is there any difference in how a standing full twist should be executed compared to doing twists from a tumble?

Shawn Johnson's Standing Fulls:

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A quad full from a tumble:

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1) What I notice is that in the standing full the arms don't come all the way into the chest like in a tumble. Is there just no time for that?

2) Also, it seems there's more bend at the obliques in the standing full than in a tumble. I'm thinking that bending at the side helps generate momentum for the twist, which is unnecessary from a tumble since there's already momentum working for it.

3) I notice some people do standing fulls very tucked, other more piked, which is better?

4) I notice some people do standing fulls with their arms more off to the side while others, like Shawn Johnson, keep theri arms more in front of them, which is better?

[Blairbob]

The technique between a standing full and tumbling full is very different.

A standing full is much more like a standing arabian with a half. Tuck or pike, so I'm told depends on body type somewhat.

Many gymnasts working multiple twists or standing twists do oblique work.

[jamesters]

A standing full is much more like a standing arabian with a half.

I never thought of it that way. Confusing! See I've never worked standing arabians, I have standing fronts and standing back halfs very clean though. Do you think there would be confusion working both back halfs and arabians or are they different enough for the body to differentiate? What are some drills for standing arabian if I've never done?

Also, can't a standing full just be done more like a standing back half but basically keep twisting? Why should it be more like standing arabian half?

[Blairbob]

for standing arabian:

jump 1/2 turn, roll/dive roll/punch front

I've basically told, standing fulls are a trampoline twisters worse nightmare. Basically a complete bastardization of technique.

Also, can't a standing full just be done more like a standing back half but basically keep twisting? Why should it be more like standing arabian half?

Similar. Again, this is not pretty twisting.

[jamesters]

Similar. Again, this is not pretty twisting.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I guess it's just hard for me to process since it's such a different concept. I actually worked briefly with a national level cheer coach years ago who taught standing fulls not like an arabian set up, nor even much like a back half set up. He basically taught that you get peak height and then wrap your arms in and twist as tight as you can, as if it all happens in one swift motion. I guess that's how I always thought of it, just one motion. And at least a couple of cheer leaders on his team looked damn good when they did it how he taught. Is there any specific reason why this method isn't as good as how you say?

Also, what if you plan on learning standing double full though? Standing double full wouldn't progress from an arabian type beginning would it? Or are standing fulls and standing double fulls just completely different techniques, so that standing full might not exactly be a prerequisite?

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It seems in all standing double fulls I've seen, they twist from the jump, which is generally not recommended, but is it necessary to get the twisting speed in this case?

One last question, why does no one do standing 3/2 fulls (standing 1.5 fulls)?

[jamesters]

By the way, I learned standing arabians my first night trying them. They do feel quite distinct from standing back halfs. I'm going to attempt relearning standing fulls the way you describe. Is there sort of a double spot that way, a spot in the beginning of arabian motion then spot for landing, or does it happen to quickly and there's only a spot for the landing?

[jamesters]

Okay, I did standing fulls today like you said, like an arabian half. I felt so much better control over it, incredible!

However, my previous questions still stand. What's the technique or prerequisite drills to standing double fulls, and why does no one do standing 3/2 fulls?