Guest Ido Portal Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 West Side Barbell influenced Gymnastic Strength Training™The WSB is one of the most influential powerlifting gyms in the world. The idea that they are most known for is the combination of speed work and strength work.Basicly, imroving your strength-speed and power will produce further development of maximal strength, even though MS is not speed-dependent.The WSB schedule uses a combination of fast days, using sub-maximal weights moved for speed and a maximal day with maximal loads. The combination of fast, slow and even static strength means is not new to gymnastics training, but what I offer here is a better way to organize it and control quality of work and fatigue. This is a main problem in gymnastics training - there is a lot to do, and sometimes it makes the coaches take a 'just do it' attitude towards training. I suspect there is an optimal way to put it together. A clever way. An efficient one. One that will give you the edge over other hard workers.Schedule and programmingUsing the concept of fast and slow in gymnastics will make us devide movements into fast-dynamic/plyometric/explosive movements with little load on the musculature used and slow-dynamic/static/high load movements.I advice the use the following schedule:A. Upper Body speed + Lower body strength (if needed) + Core StrengthB. Lower Body speed + Upper Body strength + Core SpeedC. Conditioning / deload or easy day / technical intensive day / otherThese three workouts will be repeated once more right away during the training week for a total of 2 workouts of each kind and 6 days work/1 day rest a week.ExamplesA. Upper Body Speed + Lower Body Strength + CoreA1. Ring Kip ups 5 reps x 5 setsA2. Swinging Dips Pbars 5 double reps x 5 setsB1. Ring Fast Muscle Ups with locked body 5 reps x 5 setsB2. Hanstand push up jump into step 5 reps x 5 setsC1. Pistol - One legged Dl hybrid 1 rep of each x 8-12 sets C2. Harrop Curl concentric only 3 reps x 8-12 setsD1. Body Levers 6-8 reps X 3 setsB. Lower Body Speed + Upper Body Strength + CoreA1. Senders Series 10 jump x 3-5 setsA2. Rolling Deck Squat into platform (50-150 cm high) with weight plate (5-25kg) 5 reps x 3-5 setsB1. Jumping pistol squats landing in half pistol position for length of 10 meter per leg (advancing forward) x 3-5 setsB2. Depth jump (30-150 cm) to front flip into platform (30-150 cm) if you can do both drop of 150 and land on 150, you will impress me. 5 reps x 3-5 setsC1. One arm chin ups (assisted if necessary) 1-1 x 8-12 setsC2. Paralette push routine - L-sit - press HS - HSPU - lower to straddle-L - Press HS - HSPU - Lower to V/L sit (hold 3 sec per position) X 8-12 setsD1. Vertical sit up contrast method - 3 reps with medicine ball behind head, (3-7 Kg) 3 reps without external weight. Both as fast as possible X 5 sets*rest between sets A1 or B1 and A2 or B2 is 01:40 minutes*rest between C1 and C2 sets is 02:00-03:00 minutes*rest between D1 sets is 01:00-01:30 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Launchbury Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Great stuff Ido.Just wanted to say a quick thank you for posting this series of Advanced Training Methods threads. I have found them to be of great interest and also very motivational.Best,George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Scheelings Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Fantastic post Ido,Extremely informative as always and plenty of food for thought hereCheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbryk Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Love the title the most!West Side Barbell gymnastics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymrob Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Wow thanks Ido this is awesome! Just something I was wondering about....wouldn't these routines take a long time to perform and I thought that the optimal time for a workout was to not exceed an hour or is this simply not possible due to all the areas that have to be covered here? But like you said this is an advanced method so maybe it's more suited to people who have a high work capacity etc.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ido Portal Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Gymrob, you are right, it will take at least 90 minutes and could extend into 120 minutes. One solution would be to divide the speed part to an AM workout (45 minutes, 50 with a warm up) and the strength and core workout to a PM one. The workouts were just an example, always try to understand the principles behind it and implement it to your needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dienaar Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 This seems extremely interesting Certainly will try this bodyweight WSB out in some cycle after I come out of my newbie status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cccp21 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 West Side Barbell influenced Gymnastic Strength Training™The WSB is one of the most influential powerlifting gyms in the world. The idea that they are most known for is the combination of speed work and strength work.Basicly, imroving your strength-speed and power will produce further development of maximal strength, even though MS is not speed-dependent.The WSB schedule uses a combination of fast days, using sub-maximal weights moved for speed and a maximal day with maximal loads. The combination of fast, slow and even static strength means is not new to gymnastics training, but what I offer here is a better way to organize it and control quality of work and fatigue. This is a main problem in gymnastics training - there is a lot to do, and sometimes it makes the coaches take a 'just do it' attitude towards training. I suspect there is an optimal way to put it together. A clever way. An efficient one. One that will give you the edge over other hard workers.Schedule and programmingUsing the concept of fast and slow in gymnastics will make us devide movements into fast-dynamic/plyometric/explosive movements with little load on the musculature used and slow-dynamic/static/high load movements.I advice the use the following schedule:A. Upper Body speed + Lower body strength (if needed) + Core StrengthB. Lower Body speed + Upper Body strength + Core SpeedC. Conditioning / deload or easy day / technical intensive day / otherThese three workouts will be repeated once more right away during the training week for a total of 2 workouts of each kind and 6 days work/1 day rest a week.ExamplesA. Upper Body Speed + Lower Body Strength + CoreA1. Ring Kip ups 5 reps x 5 setsA2. Swinging Dips Pbars 5 double reps x 5 setsB1. Ring Fast Muscle Ups with locked body 5 reps x 5 setsB2. Hanstand push up jump into step 5 reps x 5 setsC1. Pistol - One legged Dl hybrid 1 rep of each x 8-12 sets C2. Harrop Curl concentric only 3 reps x 8-12 setsD1. Body Levers 6-8 reps X 3 setsB. Lower Body Speed + Upper Body Strength + CoreA1. Senders Series 10 jump x 3-5 setsA2. Rolling Deck Squat into platform (50-150 cm high) with weight plate (5-25kg) 5 reps x 3-5 setsB1. Jumping pistol squats landing in half pistol position for length of 10 meter per leg (advancing forward) x 3-5 setsB2. Depth jump (30-150 cm) to front flip into platform (30-150 cm) if you can do both drop of 150 and land on 150, you will impress me. 5 reps x 3-5 setsC1. One arm chin ups (assisted if necessary) 1-1 x 8-12 setsC2. Paralette push routine - L-sit - press HS - HSPU - lower to straddle-L - Press HS - HSPU - Lower to V/L sit (hold 3 sec per position) X 8-12 setsD1. Vertical sit up contrast method - 3 reps with medicine ball behind head, (3-7 Kg) 3 reps without external weight. Both as fast as possible X 5 sets*rest between sets A1 or B1 and A2 or B2 is 01:40 minutes*rest between C1 and C2 sets is 02:00-03:00 minutes*rest between D1 sets is 01:00-01:30 minutes************ Is this an accumulation or intensification cycle?Brandon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aushion Chatman Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I am very interested in this method of training and will be attempting to apply WSB training philosophy into my gymnastic WODs...Anyone else doing this already or want to do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairbob Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Looks interesting. I sort of want to do some other stuff in the off-season but honestly, I think I would miss do any gymnastics and go bonkers without it. After this week, I'll be going into my off-season mode I think and by April the boy's group will be in off-season mode as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aushion Chatman Posted March 6, 2010 Share Posted March 6, 2010 Cool, I think I will start a log on this site too and dual hat for a while on the CF site and post my stuff, I will have to wait until post-Sectionals however since I went bird-brain and decided to compete this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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