AWESOME PLANCHE / PLANche push-up strength

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granted he is not completely flat but are there gymnasts with this amount of endurance and power in the planche position?

[kbryk]

Junior is an extremely strong guy and very flexible, I don't think I've seen anyone else really with his strength and flexibility when it comes to Bboys, of course Kujo is great. Gymnast don't have the time to spend on a certain skill, but I'm sure many gymnasts can develop the strength to have that type of endurance.

[rambo5501]

granted he is not completely flat but are there gymnasts with this amount of endurance and power in the planche position?

That video is repeated like 3 times within the same video. so he only did 1/3 the planches, and I think I have heard some one say that he has a disease in his legs that makes them smaller or something like that, so thats a big plus in planches.

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granted he is not completely flat but are there gymnasts with this amount of endurance and power in the planche position?

That video is repeated like 3 times within the same video. so he only did 1/3 the planches, and I think I have heard some one say that he has a disease in his legs that makes them smaller or something like that, so thats a big plus in planches.

it might be multiple takes and one of his legs is atrophied and weak from polio as a child, even so we're talking about world class strength. Just compare his planche push-ups to Jordan Jovchevs, these are much higher quality.

[kbryk]

Both bboys and gymnasts put lots of work into what they do. If you want a argument about either one being better leave this forum, gymnast follow a higher class of grading and skill requirements, they follow their set rules, and bboys follow their own, but they both take pages out of the same book, agreed?

And did you see the quality of Jordan's ring routines, did you happen look at the Maltese, and that is why both cannot be compared equally, apples and oranges, both sweet, but different.

[Gregor]

Jordan definitely have much more quality.

I'll explain:

1.with arch body position is much easier then with straight or slight hollow position to hold!!!

2.With arch body you may also cheat with your latisimus (palms a litlle closer to each other, and you can hold your upper body with latisimus on your arms).

3.You can do quick push ups with bounce moments or slowly with no extra help.

This guy is really strong, nobody said otherwise. So therefore it's not polite to defame (i hope I used right word) anybody.

[G00SE]

this guy also had some great planche pushups-his arch is much less than that of junior-and his legs dont look atrophied at all-so he's just a guy who worked hard

that vid is of him doing planche push ups with a 25 weight vest-form breaks a bit-but still its crazy

anyway-moderators-how close is this guy to doing true pushups in a real planche and what would he have to do differently to get true planche pushups-i am curious becaouse i hope to get be able to do pushups like his by the end of the year and then improve on them if at all possible-it'll be near impossible to get them that good in the first place :shock:

[kbryk]

Hips at shoulder height, at the end of the push up you want elbows to be locked; this is the basic guideline of many static movements in gymnastics.

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Jordan definitely have much more quality.

I'll explain:

1.with arch body position is much easier then with straight or slight hollow position to hold!!!

2.With arch body you may also cheat with your latisimus (palms a litlle closer to each other, and you can hold your upper body with latisimus on your arms).

3.You can do quick push ups with bounce moments or slowly with no extra help.

This guy is really strong, nobody said otherwise. So therefore it's not polite to defame (i hope I used right word) anybody.

watch j. jovchev's planche push-ups they are at 51 seconds:

They are not in the same league. His body is flatter but it does not move through the range of motion, his legs stay stationary pretty much and he does not go as deep or to full extension.

[Gregor]

And you think he could not do, with tho whole ROM? I don't think this exercises are strenght exercises for him, it's just regular warm up-strenght exercise before true strenght exercise on rings

->belive me, with that insane strenght he could do much more then on that video.

[Gregor]

this guy also had some great planche pushups-his arch is much less than that of junior-and his legs dont look atrophied at all-so he's just a guy who worked hard

that vid is of him doing planche push ups with a 25 weight vest-form breaks a bit-but still its crazy

anyway-moderators-how close is this guy to doing true pushups in a real planche and what would he have to do differently to get true planche pushups-i am curious becaouse i hope to get be able to do pushups like his by the end of the year and then improve on them if at all possible-it'll be near impossible to get them that good in the first place :shock:

The second gu is realy strong!!! WIth weighted.

It's hard to say->we do not know if he is doing them to static position in his training...

[shiftedShapes]

And you think he could not do, with tho whole ROM? I don't think this exercises are strenght exercises for him, it's just regular warm up-strenght exercise before true strenght exercise on rings

->belive me, with that insane strenght he could do much more then on that video.

Look I never said that Jovchev wasn't stronger, I'm sure he is actually. Please though give credit where it is due, we have not seen anyone else doing planche pushups like BBoy Junior. Maybe a lot of gymnasts would develop this ability if it was in the code of points, but as of now they have not so give it up to the current champ. Unless you have seen better elsewhere, in which case I would love to see it too.

[Gregor]

Juniors planche are not that good as you think they are, I posted my reasons above in earlier posts.

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Juniors planche are not that good as you think they are, I posted my reasons above in earlier posts.

Ok let me address your arguments

Jordan definitely have much more quality.

I'll explain:

1.with arch body position is much easier then with straight or slight hollow position to hold!!!

2.With arch body you may also cheat with your latisimus (palms a litlle closer to each other, and you can hold your upper body with latisimus on your arms).

3.You can do quick push ups with bounce moments or slowly with no extra help.

This guy is really strong, nobody said otherwise. So therefore it's not polite to defame (i hope I used right word) anybody.

I already acknowledged the arch. Your critique on number 2 is off he is not bracing against his body at all, this is clear from his seamless movement through the full ROM. In fact he has less forward lean than just about anyone else that I have seen, which means that his arms are further from his body. As to number 3 he is using less momentum than jovchev.

Maybe now you can respond to my points:

watch j. jovchev's planche push-ups they are at 51 seconds:

They are not in the same league. His body is flatter but it does not move through the range of motion, his legs stay stationary pretty much and he does not go as deep or to full extension.

I should also point out that doing them on fingertips is harder than on p-bars.

[David Picó García]

I think we all agree that there's something strange with his legs, may be polio, or may be artificial leg. And in those leverage exercises every gram counts especially in the lower body. He is tremendously strong but is difficult to compare. Although I found much more beautiful Jovtchev form.

[Guest Ido Portal]

Hello, everyone.

The Junior performance is less impressive for me due to the extremely open shoulder to body angle. It is obvious that because of his arch, legs and even increasing the length of his arms by going on his fingers he basicly holds a static position very much like a 45 degree support on the bpars and not the extreme shoulder angle required to balance yourself in a true one arm planche. People may be impressed by his planche, but if you reached a true planche and are aware of the shoulder angle required to do so, it is obvious he is not there. (he may be able to do it, but he is not currently there)

Something else: last year I was training with a friend in a gymnastics gym in LA where all the best bboys, tricksters and extreme kicks guys come to train. I was doing my thing and finished with a strength routine of planches and f-levers and noticed that everyone was around this guy doing some breaking. Turns out it was this Kujo fellow. I remembered sawing one of his clips before and went closer to watch. He did some strength moves but when I saw him in person I realized these guys put in their trailers some rare and 'bestof the best' moments, edit them and make them look much better. In real life I wasnt impressed. His planche form was far from the real deal, his elbows bent a bit and other flaws. It was obvious he wasnt able to display the strength I thought he had in a daily visit to the gym. That was a lesson in real life performance vs internet performance. In circus or gymnastics what you see is what you get, you see it in film, and in real life it is the same form and control, even more impressive. You either do it like it is prescribed or not. And this I got to see in many gymnastics gyms I visited, and training with cirque du soleil artists in Vegas.

There is a difference.

Of course I have a lot of critisicm towards gymnastics also, as a sport that lost its artistic interest a long time ago, became rigid and sometimes... boring.

[Gregor]

talking about Cirque Du Soleil...I've got mail from them and asked me for some promo clips to send them for audition :twisted:

I'va meet one of their scouts in UEG gymnastic camp 8)

[Guest Ido Portal]

Does that sort of thing interests you?

It is a different world from professional gymnastics but will allow you to continue to work with your body.

[Gregor]

I don't know...More for no, then for yes. They want somebody good with strenght for rings.

[Blairbob]

Congrats and good luck, Gregor.

[shiftedShapes]

Hello, everyone.

The Junior performance is less impressive for me due to the extremely open shoulder to body angle. It is obvious that because of his arch, legs and even increasing the length of his arms by going on his fingers he basicly holds a static position very much like a 45 degree support on the bpars and not the extreme shoulder angle required to balance yourself in a true one arm planche. People may be impressed by his planche, but if you reached a true planche and are aware of the shoulder angle required to do so, it is obvious he is not there. (he may be able to do it, but he is not currently there)

Doesn't the shoulder angle make it more impressive? It means that he is using less counterbalance and hence more strength than most do in the movement. Likewise lengthening the arm by going on fingertips means more torque, which again requires more strength. Furthermore he is in a more disadvantaged position because the shoulders are weaker when extended so far from the body.

[Jason Ingram]

No, a more open shoulder does not make it more impressive. He is balanced on his finger tips, which is under his center of mass. Think of it this way, if someone had no legs at all, they may be able to do a "planche" with their arms almost perpendicular to the ground. With torque, the rotational force is proportional to the length of the effective lever arm which becomes shorter as the arm becomes closer to perpendicular to the ground and the torque goes to zero.

Not saying that I'm not impressed.

[John Sapinoso]

think of it this way:

which is harder a Maltese or a Planche or a handstand?

which has the more open shoulder angle?

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think of it this way:

which is harder a Maltese or a Planche or a handstand?

which has the more open shoulder angle?

You are missing the point. With a handstand the body is vertical.

Think of it this way if you started from a maltese and pushed away from the ground with arms straight the strength required would gradually increase. No one could be strong enough to hold it with arms perpendicular to the ground (even though it would technically be possible due to the small amount of counterbalance provided by the head), but Jr. is much closer to that point than the standard gymanstics planche that we see. Though I acknowledge that the accomplishment is mitigated somewhat by the arch in his body.

[rambo5501]

think of it this way:

which is harder a Maltese or a Planche or a handstand?

which has the more open shoulder angle?

You are missing the point. With a handstand the body is vertical.

Think of it this way if you started from a maltese and pushed away from the ground with arms straight the strength required would gradually increase. No one could be strong enough to hold it with arms perpendicular to the ground (even though it would technically be possible due to the small amount of counterbalance provided by the head), but Jr. is much closer to that point than the standard gymanstics planche that we see. Though I acknowledge that the accomplishment is mitigated somewhat by the arch in his body.

(edited by Coach Sommer)

1. he had polio when he was a kid, less weight on the back.

2. big arch.

3. what Ido portal said.

4. I think you are the one missing the point.

5. None the less the guy is very strong.

Here is a guy doing a planche for about 16 seconds

It says he is an olympian. No doubt