Timothy Aiken Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 What are some good setups for aerial? I usually do the butterfly kick/twist setup. Any other ones that you like? Note: My aerial is not the gymnastics one, I do it for tricking so my hips are slightly closed to allow me to combo it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilad10e Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I use the butterfly twist one too but i like to add a round kick (it make my aerial better i dont know why...)Try to learn the gymnastics aerial too! If you get a good aerial you can do like a no handed round-off (dont know the name lol) and continue for back tumbling. Im not a pro,but I hope it helps you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Aiken Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 No hand round off is called a barani. I will apply your ideas when I return to flips and leg work in general. As for now I am stuck with an injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andiswf Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 arials look fantastic.. but be careful with the landings on 1 leg! if your knee isnt stable you will get hurt sooner or later! that move kills your knee if done "wrong".my gymnasts do them on beam... so i can give u some hints: a) general:* start straigth! that means that until your swinging leg is not in a scale position, dont turn sideways! (start is like a front handspring and scale position)* that leeds to maximum leg-swinging what flips you around (rotation!)* AND the turn will result from your maximum flexibility where you have to turn your hip out because of the excessive leg swing b ) first exercises enforcing the leg swing* flexibility drills, and leg swings*do cartwheels from a lounge position, where the back knee is on the ground. for the correct landing position you can look some beam routines c) second exercise*do cartwheels from a standing scale as a starting position (without droping down the swinging leg when starting the cartwheel! just lift it upwards!>> for legswing, but here you learn to start straigth + tension from not swinging but lifting your leg d) this is the exercise you will stick around ALOT if you mastered the two before!* cartwheel out of 1 step, where you bend both knees before take off, and in the take off you straigten them>> special tecnique for lift-off aka blocking in parcour terms and encourages the leg swingyou will feel more and more higher and faster, if done correctly. So your hand-support will be less and less automatically! ...if you do these, you should be able to be in a line (for beam this helps a lot haha) and the landing should also be safe and without "turning" into the ground while landing! your knees will love you for that! e) some more: with that correctly-done-beginning of the movement, you can also do side somis and free arial walkovers..also on beam a arial round-of is also "easy" this way!they need "just" little adjustment.. some start from a springboard.. i dont like this, because when you cant generate the power you need on the ground, you will surely not be able to land corectly/safly! as I plan a tutorial on that, maybe I will do one sooner than later, and link it here GL and keep it safe! (mats, step by step, regeneration..) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Aiken Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 Thank you! My knee is mostly healed, but I am still easing in. I used to be able to do an aerial well enough for a beam, the straight kind, not tricking kind. I have recently discovered the power of the swing with websters. I can nail them on grass every time now, and what's holding my back on the aerial is my line (which I lost from lack of practice), so these drills will be perfect! I will do them in my sessions from now on and I'll keep you updated on my progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpow Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 No hand round off is called a barani. I will apply your ideas when I return to flips and leg work in general. As for now I am stuck with an injury Btw, if you take off from one leg, but end on two legs, it's an aerial roundoff, not a barani. A barani is from two feet to two feet. I teach aerials by having the gymnast go off of a panel mat, practicing dive cartwheels, and then after doing this for a week or two, they're pretty well off to try them by themselves. I coach level 4 USAG girls (roundoff to one backhandspring as their major tumbling pass) so as long as you have a good basic cartwheel, and know how to push off one leg and how to lift your chest, they aren't that difficult. Good luck with learning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Venus Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 arials look fantastic.. but be careful with the landings on 1 leg! if your knee isnt stable you will get hurt sooner or later! that move kills your knee if done "wrong".my gymnasts do them on beam... so i can give u some hints: a) general:* start straigth! that means that until your swinging leg is not in a scale position, dont turn sideways! (start is like a front handspring and scale position)* that leeds to maximum leg-swinging what flips you around (rotation!)* AND the turn will result from your maximum flexibility where you have to turn your hip out because of the excessive leg swing b ) first exercises enforcing the leg swing* flexibility drills, and leg swings*do cartwheels from a lounge position, where the back knee is on the ground. for the correct landing position you can look some beam routines c) second exercise*do cartwheels from a standing scale as a starting position (without droping down the swinging leg when starting the cartwheel! just lift it upwards!>> for legswing, but here you learn to start straigth + tension from not swinging but lifting your leg d) this is the exercise you will stick around ALOT if you mastered the two before!* cartwheel out of 1 step, where you bend both knees before take off, and in the take off you straigten them>> special tecnique for lift-off aka blocking in parcour terms and encourages the leg swingyou will feel more and more higher and faster, if done correctly. So your hand-support will be less and less automatically! ...if you do these, you should be able to be in a line (for beam this helps a lot haha) and the landing should also be safe and without "turning" into the ground while landing! your knees will love you for that! e) some more: with that correctly-done-beginning of the movement, you can also do side somis and free arial walkovers..also on beam a arial round-of is also "easy" this way!they need "just" little adjustment.. some start from a springboard.. i dont like this, because when you cant generate the power you need on the ground, you will surely not be able to land corectly/safly! as I plan a tutorial on that, maybe I will do one sooner than later, and link it here GL and keep it safe! (mats, step by step, regeneration..)Good advice. Where does most of the power come from? Is it pushing off your front leg or the swing of the rear leg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andiswf Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 well, in the arial cartwheel: if you "jump" off from a straight leg, and land on the other one that includes bending(for the landing), then you dont need any hight at all.. so only the rotation would be important however, with a good preparation and the technique i mentioned, you have both, and with lifting your chest up while the take off, you can get even more height...for BB all (acrobatic) skills should be performed ONTO a mat (~20cm+), then you should feel confident enough with the technique to do it on the beam! i kinda like the gymnastics minute, however I dont like the arial tutorial for the reason of NO preparation AT ALL for the landing. just jumping down from a higher mat, with inproper landing where the knee goes alot to the side, what means NO stabilization and no right absorbation of the force! (a knee dmg is for sure!)so when you watch the video at around 0:30, look at the knee (especially of the second gymnast!) and that they are absolutely not in the axis: as then the second leg in the landing has to step to the side. for the landing-knee this is crutial!what i like in the video are the sliders, that are really funny for the kids AND the "mountan-climb"-step at 0:15 (watch it in slow motion!!!), that is exactly what I mentioned with bending both legs first, and straigten them in the take-off! a video i really like is the one for arabians, that i also use for onodis...however for this topic, you can see the need of performing skills onto a higher mat at 1m37s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andiswf Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 ok, here is an old video i found.. it has some variations, even if it looks sometimes quite the same, they are all for another purpose as a tutorial the video is still useless and not good, because the mat i used was too short. so even if i tried, the cartwheels have not always the right length! so my appologies!the arial-type would fit to the 3rd cartwheel: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Aiken Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 I have been landing the aerial for a week or so now! I do it out of an axe kick setup (shown below). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjpdH2kmAzU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andiswf Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 nice trick!thx for the update!! if u want, my advice would be to start more straight!you land with side rotation what is bad: it puts lot of stress on ankles, knee and hips!you dont really have to "twist" for the arial cartwheel, because your swinging leg will automatically turn your hips at a certain ROM-point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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